Dave's non-recommended MFSL's

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dave, Mar 14, 2006.

  1. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™ Thread Starter

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    I thought I'd drop in this thread to correspond with this Dave's MFSL recommendations thread. A lot of you have been asking about particular MFSL's so I thought I'd make this thread available to show you all the pressings I've heard that didn't make the cut for me. If it's not on either list, I haven't heard it.

    UDCD 509 Huey Lewis and the News Sports

    UDCD 511 The Police: Synchronicity

    UDCD 514 Louis Armstrong & Duke Ellington Together for the First Time/The Great Reunion

    UDCD 517 Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    UDCD 537 Pink Floyd The Wall

    UDCD 544 Brian Adams Reckless

    UDCD 568 Queen A Night at the Opera

    UDCD 571 U2: War (still the best sounding U2 album on MFSL)

    UDCD 582 Boston Third Stage

    UDCD 588 Queen: News of the World

    UDCD 590 Rush 2112

    UDCD 591 Todd Rundgren Something / Anything?

    UDCD 595 Pink Floyd Atom Heart Mother

    UDCD 597 Heart Heart

    UDCD 604 John Mellencamp Scarecrow

    UDCD 607 Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto Getz / Gilberto

    UDCD 608 Eric Clapton Just One Night

    UDCD 610 Queen: The Game

    UDCD 612 Moody Blues On the Threshold of a Dream

    UDCD 613 Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene

    UDCD 614 Rush Signals

    UDCD 615 XTC Skylarking

    UDCD 616 John Mayall Bluesbreakers With Eric Clapton

    UDCD 617 The Allman Brothers Band Brothers and Sisters

    UDCD 625 Cream Live Cream / Live Cream Volume II

    UDCD 628 Bob Marley & the Wailers Exodus

    UDCD 631 Joe Cocker Sheffield Steel

    UDCD 633 Rick Wakeman Journey to the Centre of the Earth

    UDCD 634 John Mellencamp The Lonesome Jubilee

    UDCD 637 Utopia Oops! Wrong Planet

    UDCD 639 Eric Clapton Eric Clapton

    UDCD 641 Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee Sonny & Brownie

    UDCD 642 R.E.M. Murmur

    UDCD 643 Moody Blues Every Good Boy Deserves Favour

    UDCD 647 Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe

    UDCD 653 Eric Clapton Backless

    UDCD 654 Bob Marley & the Wailers Catch a Fire

    UDCD 657 Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated R&B From the Marquee

    UDCD 662 John Mayall The Blues Alone

    UDCD 664 Counting Crows August and Everything After

    UDCD 665 Sonic Youth Goo

    UDCD 666 Nirvana Nevermind (unfortunately still the best pressing)

    UDCD 667 The Searchers It's The Searchers / Take Me for What I'm Worth

    UDCD 668 Queen: A Day at the Races

    UDCD 671 Moody Blues To Our Children's Children's Children

    UDCD 672 Bernard Herrmann The Four Faces of Jazz

    UDCD 676 Canned Heat & John Lee Hooker Hooker 'N' Heat

    UDCD 677 R.E.M. Reckoning

    UDCD 680 The Bee Gees Trafalgar

    UDCD 681 Cream Goodbye

    UDCD 696 Harry "Sweets" Edison & Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis In Copenhagen

    UDCD 697 Blue Oyster Cult Agents of Fortune

    UDCD 699 Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction

    UDCD 700 Moody Blues Long Distance Voyager

    UDCD 705 Don Henley Building the Perfect Beast

    UDCD 711 Guns N' Roses Use Your Illusion I

    UDCD 712 Guns N' Roses Use Your Illusion II

    UDCD 713 Jimmy Buffet Son of a Son of a Sailor

    UDCD 718 Moody Blues Seventh Sojourn

    UDCD 721 Don Henley End of the Innocence (not that great, but I haven't been able to find a better mastering... yet)

    UDCD 724 The Velvet Underground White Light / White Heat

    UDCD 727 Jeff Beck Blow By Blow

    UDCD 728 Don McLean American Pie

    UDCD 729 10CC The Original Soundtrack

    UDCD 736 Joe Cocker Mad Dogs and Englishmen

    UDCD 737 Moody Blues A Question of Balance

    UDCD 738 Blue Oyster Cult Tyranny and Mutation/Blue Oyster Cult

    UDCD 744 John McLaughlin with Mahavishnu Orchestra The Inner Mounting Flame

    UDCD 746 Jimmy Buffet A White Sport Coat and a Pink Crustacean

    UDCD 748 Guns N' Roses G N' R Lies

    UDCD 749 The Pointer Sisters The Pointer Sisters

    UDCD 750 Counting Crows Recovering the Satellites

    UDCD 751 Joe Satriani Surfing With The Alien

    UDCD 754 The Who Who's Next

    UDCD 755 The Who Live at Leeds

    UDCD 758 Roy Orbison Lonely and Blue
     
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  2. innercircle

    innercircle Forum Resident

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    UDCD 517 Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon, :eek: are you serious on this Dave? wow I'll need to re-hear my copy tonite......
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™ Thread Starter

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    I do not joke regarding MFSL masterings.
     
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  4. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

    Location:
    New England
    Thanks Dave, great idea! What better versions should I get to replace my MFSL "Abraxas" and "Layla", if you don't mind me asking?
     
  5. innercircle

    innercircle Forum Resident

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    Monterrey, Mexico
    I'm sure you don't Dave, is just that it was a surprise to me, and thanks for the list.
     
  6. pdenny

    pdenny 22-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

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    So what's your preference for Moody's TOCCC, big guy? :angel:

    But TRAFALGAR?!?! Say it ain't so.... :confused:
     
  7. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

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    NJ
    Dave, for the REM and Counting Crows titles and the BOC twofer what digital pressings do you recommend that beat the MFSLs in sound quality?
     
  8. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

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    Vermont

    My reaction too, as I think it is the best sounding version I have heard. Which one sounds better, Dave?


    Evan
     
  9. oldcuster

    oldcuster Senior Member

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    St. Paul, MN
    I'm not Dave, but I think "Layla" will be the West German RSO two-disc version. :D
     
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  10. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

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    NJ
    I'm not Dave, but I prefer the W. German Dennis Drake mastered Layla over the MFSL. I know Dave is going to recommend the first Jpn. pressing for Abraxas. I have to disagree with him on that though, the MFSL is easily my favorite. I'm no fan of noise reduction, but that Jpn. first pressing is one of the most hissiest CDs I own. I highly doubt it is from the original master.
     
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  11. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™ Thread Starter

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    For Abraxas I prefer either the SACD or the Japanese 1st pressing.

    For Layla I recommend the RSO W. German pressing mastered by Dennis Drake.
     
  12. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™ Thread Starter

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    Otoniel, my pleasure to help everyone with these not so easy to obtain MFSL's.
     
  13. eelkiller

    eelkiller One of the great unwashed

    Location:
    Northern Ontario
    I thought the MFSL of Mellencamp's Scarecrow is a slightly different mix compared to all other pressings. If that is the case there should be nothing else to compare it to.
     
  14. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™ Thread Starter

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    Moody Blues = original London masterings. Country of origin has no bearing on these as far as I know.

    Trafalgar I have been unable to find a better mastering of so far, but I still stand by my original statement. It isn't that bad really, just not up to what MFSL has given us in the past IMO.
     
  15. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    South Plymouth, Ma
    I disagree on a lot of that list. There's a ton of discs that better the MFSLs, but Hooker N' Heat? Murmur?

    Oh well. To his their own. :)
     
  16. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

    Location:
    New England

    For Abraxas, I'll find the SACD. For Layla, I guess I'll start a new quest. Thanks Dave! :righton:
     
  17. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    Dave...

    which version of Todd Rundgren's Something/Anything do you feel beats out the MFSL?
     
  18. cdice

    cdice New Member

    Location:
    U.S.
    Dave, You can't be serious about some of these? Non-recommended? Peter Buck and Mike Mills (of R.E.M.) have been quoted as saying M.F.S.L., "finally got it right" with regards to 'Murmur'. If the band members themselves say, "It finally sounds right" I think I'll stick with their opinion. However, you can add Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Second Helping" to your non-recommended list! :D
     
  19. Dave, this is just another great thread and really appreciated. It would be extremely helpful to refer to the CD pressing(s) which think better the respective MFSL's.

    A couple of questions where I assume I know the answers, but a final confirmation would be great:

    UDCD 585 Derek & The Dominos Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
    Is it the early WG RSO and/or Polydor 2-CD-set (are they both the same mastering)?

    UDCD 607 Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto Getz / Gilberto
    Do you prefer the regular non-remastered Verve CD? Was that one mastered by Dennis Drake?

    UDCD 616 John Mayall Bluesbreakers With Eric Clapton
    and
    UDCD 662 John Mayall The Blues Alone
    Do you prefer the WG London CD pressings in both cases?

    How about the other listed Eric Clapton CD's, are these bettered by the WG Polydor's/RSO's?

    Same question regarding Cream, also the WG RSO's?

    I am really curious in regards to the Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee album also.

    And, doesn't "Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells A Story" have to be added to the list? I think it is consensus between quite a few forum members that the Dennis Drake mastered WG CD is the winner.

    Thanks for all the input.

    Roland
     
  20. stever

    stever Senior Member

    Location:
    Omaha, Nebr.
    Dave, you seem to enjoy bringing pain and suffering upon yourself by publishing a list like this. :laugh: Wait until Mr. LoVerde sees this!

    I'd like to know what, "Something/Anything," digital pressing bests the MFSL.
     
  21. JPartyka

    JPartyka I Got a Home on High

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    USA
    I'll third this inquiry ...
     
  22. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

    Location:
    NJ
    Cdice, are you serious about not liking the MFSL of "Second Helping"??? That is one of my favorites.
     
  23. I have all of the above titles and enjoy them, except for the R.E.M. which I am looking for and would gladly buy off you or anyone else here on the forum. That R.E.M. is reportedly the only time they flat-eq transferred the master to consumer media.

    I gave away the PF to a buddy who REALLY loved the album, it was his 50th birthday.
    I have since replaced it with the SACD, which i have never heard the redbook layer of.

    The Searchers disc i use to demo new stereo equipment with!!!

    The Marley Catch a Fire disc completely stomp the same tracks that appear on his 4-cd box.
     
  24. Well that doesn't work for me, when Jeff Lynne remasters his own stuff, when Roger Becherian remastered Costello and Gus Dudgeon remastered EJ's classic years, the results were . . . let's say . . ."less than optimal".

    Nevertheless I do really want that R.E.M.
     
  25. bluesbro

    bluesbro Forum Hall of Shame

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    DC
    So, what's wrong with the Cream MFSLs? What would be a better choice (if any)? Did you consider that in some instances there's only so much that can be done with how those live tapes were recorded?

    :confused:
     
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