YES Japanese reissues July

Didn't MFSL just redo Fragile?

 

Someone started a duplicate thread with the following information from CD Japan.



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YES JAPAN SHM LIMITED CARDBOARD SLEEVE July 8 and July 22, 2009

2009 Digital Remastering

From CD Japan:

Japan original fortieth anniversary cardboard sleeve reissue from Yes featuring the high-fidelity SHM-CD format (compatible with standard CD players). Part of a fifteen-album Yes cardboard sleeve reissue series featuring the albums "Yes," "Time And A Word," "The Yes Album," "Fragile," "Close To The Edge," "Yessongs," "Tales From Topographic Oceans," "Relayer," "Going For The One," ""Tormato," "Drama," "Yesshows," "90125," "9012 Live The Solos" and "Big Generator." Features 2009 digital remastering.

1) YES 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: six bonus tracks: "Everydays (Single Version)," "Dear Father (Early Version #2)," "Something's Coming," "Everydays (Early Version#1), "Dear Father (Early Version #1), "Something's Coming (Early Version)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13512

2) Time and A Word 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: four bonus tracks: "Dear Father," "No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed (Original Mix)," "Sweet Dreams (Original Mix),""Prophet (Single Mix)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13513

3) The Yes Album 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: three bonus tracks: "Your Move (Single Version)," "Starship Trooper: Life Seeker (Single Version)," "Clap (Studio Version)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13514

4) Fragile 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: bonus track (subject to change)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13515

5) Close To The Edge 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: four bonus tracks: "America(single version)," "Total Mass Retain (single version)," "And You And I (alternate version)," "Siberia (studio run-through of "Siberian Khatru")"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13516


6) Yessongs 3314 Yen (July 8, 2009)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13517


7) Tales From Topographic Oceans 3314 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: two bonus tracks: "Dance Of The Dawn (studio run through)," "Giants Under The Sun (studio run through)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13519


8) Relayer 2457 Yen (July 8, 2009)

Bonus Track: three bonus tracks: "Soon' (single edit)," "Sound Chaser (single edit)," "The Gates Of Delirium'(studio run-through)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13521


9) Going For The One 2457 Yen (July 22, 2009)

Bonus Track: seven bonus tracks: "Montreux's Theme," "Vevey (revisited)," "Amazing Grace," "Going For The One' (rehearsal)," "Parallels' (rehearsal)," "Turn Of The Century (rehearsal)""'Eastern Number (early version of 'Awaken')"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13522


10) Tormato 2457 Yen (July 22, 2009)

Bonus Track: nine bonus tracks: "Abilene," "Money," "Picasso," "Some Are Born," "You Can Be Saved," "High," "Days (Demo)," "Countryside," "Everybody's Song"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13523


11) Drama 2457 Yen (July 22, 2009)

Bonus Track: ten bonus tracks: "Into The Lens (I Am A Camera)," "Run Through The Light," "Have We Really Got To Go Through This," "Song No.4," "Tempus Fugit (Tracking Session)," "White Car (Tracking Session)," and five more tracks.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13524


12) Yesshows 3314 Yen (July 22, 2009)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13525


13) 90125 2457 Yen (July 22, 2009)

Bonus Track: six bonus tracks: "Leave It (Single Remix)," "Make It Easy," "It Can Happen (Cinema Version)," "It's Over," "Owner Of A Lonely Heart (Extended Remix)," "Leave It (A Capella Version)"

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13527


14) 90125 Live The Solos 2000 Yen (July 22, 2209)

Bonus Track: bonus track (subject to change)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13528


15) Big Generator 2457 Yen (July 22, 2009)

Bonus Track: bonus track (subject to change)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPCR-13529

 

does anyone know how many times the yes catalog has been remastered?

i'm guessing that it might be more than any other artist.

 

I am curious about what bonus stuff if any turns up on "Big Generator." Otherwise.... I'll stick to what I have already.

 

same bonus like on the Rhino

 

Just because it was released doesn't mean i have seen or bought it....

 

Even though I have practically all the 2002 Japanese HDCDs -- and I love 'em, generally speaking -- I ordered all these, too. Dammit.

 

Yeah, it never really worked for me, artistically speaking.

 

I'm going to buy "9012Live the solos" because the original ATCO is too expensive for me. Brickwalled or not, i need that album.

I have the previous japanese HDCD 3-CD "Yessongs" and i like it more than the Gastwrit. Japanese version is trebly that's for sure, but i't hard to say is it brickwalled since the original album was pretty compressed in the first place.

I'd still like to see Yessongs remixed...

 

I guess there won't be any bonus tracks. My guess is that these will be identical to Rhino's or previous japanese versions.

Actually Yesshows could have easily been expanded with the two live tracks from Classic Yes comp.

 

This seems to be the biggest craze these days.....reissuing the entire back catalog of the big groups in the past 40 years. I guess the god groups are still hauling in more capital for the record industry than any of the new acts.

 

Rhino? There was no Rhino of Big Generator.

 

So, no bonus tracks either!

 

If you are referring to the 32XD Japanese pressing, it is identical to the original US.

 

The Japanese HDCD of BIG GENERATOR -- if that's what you're referring to -- is indeed a different mix from the U.S. version.

 

For Big Generator, I believe the 32XD was recently found to be different (and quite inferior, iirc) to the original US pressing, but someone else would have to confirm or link this.

 

I have not heard this but the HDCD's don't seem very popular 'round these here parts.

Interesting. I had both discs at one time and they had identical peak levels and sounded identical at the time to my ears.

 

The first US pressing of Big Generator was identical to the Japan 32XD. Somewhere along the line though, there was a US secret remaster which replaced the original mastering.

 

Which, afaik, is the case with nearly all 32XDs and their US counterparts, but looks like Yesstiles solved this above.

 

Wow this is huge news to me. I'm pretty sure my US copy was from the first US pressing.

Do you have any idea when this 'secret' remaster came out? Do you have the 'Secret' remaster CD?

So do you think if I bought a new copy of 'Big Generator' from Amazon, CD Universe etc and compared it to my US copy I would notice a difference if I A/B'd it to my older copy?

I must admit I'm intrigued by this as this is the first time I have heard anything about this 'secret' remaster.

Any other information you can provide would be greatly appreciated as I am a huge YES fan.

Thanks

Scott

 

Actually what happened was Japan released the Yes catalog for a third time in the early 90's (before the remasters) with AMCY catalog numbers and improved packaging. A few titles (Fragile, CTTE) were secretly remastered. Big Generator was one of these, and this mastering was subsequently used for all further US pressings. One way to tell if the US cd is the secret remaster is if it is a later Specialty pressing. For example, if the matrix code reads "SRC 15" as opposed to "SRC 04."

I've been meaning to do a listening comparison between the two masterings, but haven't got around to it yet. I do like BG better than 90125.

 

Do you mean SRC-05? That's what mine has and I bought it in 1987.

3 90522-2 SRC-05

 

OK I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. When Japan released the Yes catalog for a third time in the early 90's you said that a few titles (Fragile, CTTE) were secretly remastered. Now with regards to only 'Fragile' and 'CTTE' were those Japanese secret remasters only used for the Japanese releases or did the US use those Japanese for all further US pressings?

Now regarding 'Big Generator' I looked at the end of the matrix code and my copy says "SRC 02". So if I were to buy a new US copy today I'm assuming that the matrix code would be different and that the CD would use the Japanese secret remastering?

I'm just trying to clarify this as best as possible.

Do you think you could possibly due a quick A/B of 'Big Generator' using the older first US pressing and the newer(secret remaster) US pressing and let me know how they compare? It doesn't have to be anything very time consuming. Maybe just compare a few parts from a few tracks from both versions of 'Big Generator'.

If you found significant improvement I would go out and get another copy of 'Big Generator'.

I don't know if I had missed this as this is the first time I'm hearing about this and don't know if this had been previously discussed on another thread?

Many Thanks

Scott

 

Don't take this the wrong way by any means but I'm just curious.

Above you said that you've been meaning to do a listening comparison between the two masterings (old US BG release and the one that came out in the early 90's). So without doing a comparison how do you know for sure the newer US version of BG used the Japanese secret remastering?

I did a few searches on the forum and couldn't find any previous posts about the 90's US pressings using the Japanese 90's secret remaster for all subsequent US pressings.

I guess I find the whole thing a bit strange since I think something like this would have surfaced a while ago on the forum?

Anyway I'll probably just buy the new disc and compare it to mine since I bought mine in 1987. It's only around $8.00 for a new copy of BG so it's worth it to me to hear it for myself.

Thanks

Scott

 

I have these different versions of Big Generator on cd:

Japan 32XD
Japan 20P2
Japan AMCY (early 90's)
USA (SRC 01)
USA (SRC 15)

The AMCY and the SRC 15 share the same mastering as proven by EAC, and the other three share a different mastering.