Neil Young announces upcoming 10 disc Archives release on Blu-ray Nov. 3, 2008*

[jpmosu]

Originally Posted by rck60s

Neil Young can KMA...It will be a cold day in hell before he ever gets another nickel from me...There are way too many talented people out there that deserve it more...Screw him

I don't really feel angry as much as I suspect he's lost his mind. Seriously, this Archives project has become pathological!

[grbl]

Originally Posted by jpmosu

I don't really feel angry as much as I suspect he's lost his mind. Seriously, this Archives project has become pathological!

It really has been a ridiculous saga - a total embarrassment.

[babyblue]

Originally Posted by jpmosu

I don't really feel angry as much as I suspect he's lost his mind. Seriously, this Archives project has become pathological!

It's as if Neil himself has attached so much importance to the Archives that it's now more than just an album release to him. It's become a millstone that he can't let go. As Pancho said in the UNCUT interview, he sees it as the end of a productive career.

[tootull]

Same old story to Neil's passion play.

[brainwashed]

Originally Posted by babyblue

It's as if Neil himself has attached so much importance to the Archives that it's now more than just an album release to him. It's become a millstone that he can't let go. As Pancho said in the UNCUT interview, he sees it as the end of a productive career.

Wouldn't it be better to make Archives an on-going project, instead of an all-encompassing, end-of-career anthology? Why limit the scope and make it all but financially unfeasible to most? Seriously, who but the most devout fan will spend upwards of $150-300 on the discs AND invest further by purchasing Blu-ray equipment? I would love to hear the bounty of unreleased material, but I would never invest in new technology just to hear/see it. And I surely don't want Live at Massey Hall or ANYTHING else included that's been released in the last few years. What's the point? Ron

[izgoblin]

If Neil feels releasing Archives means the end of his career, then let him postpone what I suppose would be the 3rd set, 198?-2009 or whatever. This one is supposed to go only to 1973, right? No real closure to one's career there. Hear that, Neil? It's safe to let this old stuff out now. Hold back that stuff you did in the late '80s til today - there are probably a lot of us who would be cool with that.

[Pawnmower]

Neil should just put out a disc every 3 months.

[music4life]

As a casual fan, this whole 10 disc Blue Ray set I have no interest in. If it was just a CD box set, I'd be more than interested. Even if an artist I have to have everything of, I wouldnt buy it. I refuse to be pushed into buying another format...

[Chief]

Originally Posted by brainwashed

Wouldn't it be better to make Archives an on-going project, instead of an all-encompassing, end-of-career anthology?

And of course the first volume only goes to 1972.

[street legal]

Originally Posted by Chief

And of course the first volume only goes to 1972.

But howw do we really know that? The bottom line is we really don't know what it will contain.

[babyblue]

Originally Posted by brainwashed

Wouldn't it be better to make Archives an on-going project, instead of an all-encompassing, end-of-career anthology? Why limit the scope and make it all but financially unfeasible to most? Seriously, who but the most devout fan will spend upwards of $150-300 on the discs AND invest further by purchasing Blu-ray equipment? I would love to hear the bounty of unreleased material, but I would never invest in new technology just to hear/see it. And I surely don't want Live at Massey Hall or ANYTHING else included that's been released in the last few years. What's the point? Ron

All good points. And I'm sure none of them matter to Neil. As I said, Archives is more than a mere album release for which Neil has his own agenda for whatever reason. He's had way too much time to think about and tinker with it that the whole project may never come out.

He should have dropped the whole Archives idea long ago and concentrated on his own Bootleg Series releases two or three times a year. He kind of started that with the Fillmore and Massey Hall albums, but who knows if or when they will continue or if they'll be included in the Archives?

[mrbillswildride]

Originally Posted by babyblue

All good points. And I'm sure none of them matter to Neil. As I said, Archives is more than a mere album release for which Neil has his own agenda for whatever reason. He's had way too much time to think about and tinker with it that the whole project may never come out.

He should have dropped the whole Archives idea long ago and concentrated on his own Bootleg Series releases two or three times a year. He kind of started that with the Fillmore and Massey Hall albums, but who knows if or when they will continue or if they'll be included in the Archives?

Yeah, this 20 year saga has had so many ups and down, and let downs that it could never live up to most expectations, and I doubt many would forgive him, I'm sure he's lost some long time fans over this fiasco... a shame really... his self-importance got the best of him.... I'd have loved Massey Hall type releases annually... or even Decade type releases every decade... but this joke of a farce, carrot, c**k tease, I'll pass on, thanks...

[Driver 8]

Originally Posted by rck60s

Neil Young can KMA...It will be a cold day in hell before he ever gets another nickel from me...

I'll just keep listening to the original albums from Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere through Zuma. If the Archives ever come out, great. If not . . . I'll just keep listening to the original albums from Everbody Knows This Is Nowhere through Zuma.

[GregK]

Like I've been saying for years now whenever one of these "release dates" are announced: don't believe anything until you have it playing on your stereo system.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by rck60s

Neil Young can KMA...It will be a cold day in hell before he ever gets another nickel from me...There are way too many talented people out there that deserve it more...Screw him

I don't think Neil owes us anything. It is very frustrating that he keeps announcing it will come out and postponing it but I'm not angry with the guy. With the Buffalo box, Fillmore East, Massey Hall and the 4 Riverboat tracks he has actually out out a fair amount of unreleased material over the past few years. The lack of an Archives set isn't going to make me think less of Tonight's the Night..

[mrbillswildride]

Originally Posted by Chris M

I don't think Neil owes us anything. It is very frustrating that he keeps announcing it will come out and postponing it but I'm not angry with the guy. With the Buffalo box, Fillmore East, Massey Hall and the 4 Riverboat tracks he has actually out out a fair amount of unreleased material over the past few years. The lack of an Archives set isn't going to make me think less of Tonight's the Night..

Well, I agree he owns us nothing... and that he's botched the multiple release dates/years/decades of this release... and that I think no less of TTN...

But as for the releases you mentioned:


He botched the BS box set, letting his ego get the best of him, and not including everything they released on their three offical albums... a true crime...

Fillmore East, I thought there was more to that show than those six songs?

Massey Hall? Love it, maybe my fave live Neil, but still waiting for the vinyl, delayed again...

And these Riverboat tracks? Where can I buy those on Cd or Lp, at a decent price? Not heard a one yet...

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by mrbillswildride

He botched the BS box set, letting his ego get the best of him, and not including everything they released on their three offical albums... a true crime..

I don't agree. I can understand why Neil left off The Hour Of Not Quite Rain and Carefree Country Day. Leaving off the LP version of Four Days Gone is the biggest sin IMO. There is such a wealth of great unreleased material on that set that it is hard for me to find fault with it. It isn't like Last Time Around is hard to find. New copies are under $8 on Amazon. I spent more on lunch today than that. The mastering is DCC worthy.

Originally Posted by mrbillswildride

Fillmore East, I thought there was more to that show than those six songs? ..

Does every live album have to contain the complete, unedited performance to get your stamp of approval?

three things:

- the acoustic set isn't that great. there are better acostic sets from the era.

- the multi-track recording didn't capture Cinnamon Girl.

- Neil wanted a tight 50 minute live album that represented the Whitten era Crazy Horse. This album does that very well.

Originally Posted by mrbillswildride

And these Riverboat tracks? Where can I buy those on Cd or Lp, at a decent price?

They are all over the internet if you know what I mean.

[pool_of_tears]

Originally Posted by mrbillswildride

He botched the BS box set, letting his ego get the best of him, and not including everything they released on their three offical albums... a true crime...

No, I don't agree with that. If he let his ego get the best of him then why did he include demos of two Richie tunes (What A Day and My Kind Of Love)? Doesn't sound like an egotistical move to me.

My only "wish" would have been to have the mono mix of the 2nd album and the long version of Bluebird. Oh well

For those who are up in arms, once it is released how many of you can honestly say you wouldn't be tempted to buy it. You know who you are! I think many here who are pissed of and saying the're through, won't spend another dime on neil's music etc...empty threats! All said out of frustration!

[Chief]

Originally Posted by Chris M

I don't think Neil owes us anything. It is very frustrating that he keeps announcing it will come out and postponing it but I'm not angry with the guy. With the Buffalo box, Fillmore East, Massey Hall and the 4 Riverboat tracks he has actually out out a fair amount of unreleased material over the past few years. The lack of an Archives set isn't going to make me think less of Tonight's the Night..

The Archives situation is frustrating, but you're absolutely correct. Neil owes us nothing. If anything, we owe him. Hell, there were times in my life when Neil's music was my best friend. I got all of that value out of On The Beach for $3. The guy has put out 40 albums in 40 years. I can't think of anyone who puts out that much stuff. On the balance, it's been pretty good stuff, depending on one's level of Neil fanaticism.

I think that to the degree that we become angry about the non-release of the Archives it says more about us than about Neil. One simply should not be emotionally concerned with such matters, particularly as they concern Neil Young. I learned my lesson when I waited three months for the release of an "Eldorado" album on March 21, 1989. It was on a list of new releases at a record store where I used to go. I waited anxiously and the day came and went. I actually delayed certain decisions waiting for the album, as if it were some type of oracle (I was 17 at the time). A few months later I learned that there was no Eldorado album, but an EP was available in Japan.

So that was that. Combined with my reading that albums and their release dates were Neil's playthings, I figured I should lessen my dependency on Neil's music, particularly the prospect of new releases. Besides, there was other stuff to listen to, both new and old. So as it pertains to the Archives, I look forward to it, but I don't bare Neil any ill will. If I wish, I can choose to not be a fan, or not buy whatever Archives happen. Most likely, I'll buy it if/when it comes out because I like the guy's music.

[Chief]

Originally Posted by Chris M

There is such a wealth of great unreleased material on that set that it is hard for me to find fault with it.

You got that right!

Originally Posted by Chris M

- the acoustic set isn't that great. there are better acostic sets from the era.

- the multi-track recording didn't capture Cinnamon Girl.

- Neil wanted a tight 50 minute live album that represented the Whitten era Crazy Horse. This album does that very well.

Yep. The acoustic set at the Fillmore was rote. It wasn't the kind of special performance we associate with Carnegie Hall, Massey, or Bottom Line. It was just the acoustic set and it seemed like he just wanted to get it over with. The electric set, on the other hand, was a bright shining moment in Neil's career. The full show is 1/2 mediocrity, 1/2 brilliance. He put out the brilliant part. I think the effect is powerful. The full show is "out there" for those who care.